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I appreciate your interest, but after not using a bot from BFE-2, I'm in bad shape.

I could not create the bot Lay Draw Back0-0, nor the search odds.

I followed the instructions of the video, but OUTPUT gives me error.

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Thank you for your explanation

I am still working on some new internal features of bfexplorer backend and I did not yet released the latest version of bfexplorer with features for Bfexplorer Console which allows filtering and opening markets as you can see in my video.

I will add some description to this video after releasing the latest version.

Stefan:

I guess that "Filter and Open My Markets" is not available to users of BFE, like "Show Selections Trading Indicators"

I want to be wrong.

Hi Stefan:

I also thought that the bot: "Show Selections Trading Indicators" would you add with the other bots.

The bot scripts I made for you extend bfexplorer bot features; this is not a case for common support I offer for my Professional subscribers.

We agreed that I will build a bot for you (from one bot there were 3 bot scripts at the end). I really wanted to help you, but there are some limits.

I hoped that as we agreed I build a bot and you will be doing any necessary changes to the bot by yourself.

Actually any bot developer can confirm that bot code is nothing complicated, because it is actually bot script that orchestrates built-in bfexplorer action bots, for instance Place bet and close bet position bot (the trading bot your bot scripts use) is 12 times more complicated, if we just measure the length of the bot source code.

I have done my job, and delivered your bot scripts, and I made a lot of changes to bfexplorer as well, for instance Use Ladder to start bot execution by clicking on a ladder, such feature was implemented in the old bfexplorer, but to the new bfexplorer I added this feature only after introducing Bot Trigger scripts.

So as agreed you received your bots, and the hell started, when you started to use your bots and wanted to make some changes. I was forced to reply for really simple questions, you have got your bots, you have got your documentation to any bot feature, as you received source code of your bots, so such questions are not in place, mainly as we agreed that you will make changes yourself, so I hoped you will learn something about bot programming.

At the end I appealed on your common sense, and not only in what you were asking but how you behave as well. Miro, we agreed on something and now you say that I must do it, as that is a customer support I am obliged to give you. I am not your slave.

Of course, I am happy to give you customer support you paid for, but this customer support does not include development of custom built bots or trading solutions in the extend you require.

I can build simple bot, if necessary, just to show my customer how to start with bot development, what I actually did for you, but I am not able to spend 3-4 hours daily just to change something in your bots, and in following day to learn that you want to do add some new feature, and what I made a day before is useless.

I asked you to show me how behave other betfair vendors to your questions for building similar bots as I did for you.

I could simply reply, as I believe they will reply to you: Unfortunately, such feature is not yet supported by our product; we will consider adding it in a near future. Thank you for asking.

And that is the end of this story.

Are you seller or not?

Do you realize that others perceive how you behave, eg. to me...

The one side is: "Write some ideas, how to extend Bfexplorer..." other side "You are a fool without common sense which abuse my kindness and willingness..."

I think that this story is too complicated, for me, especially...

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All bots work very well.
Nice job.

Btw: I must congratulate on fantastic feature: executing your own bot by clicking on ladder (you reminded in the last post). An incredible competitive advantage... It had to be idea not from idiot without common sense...

Stefan thanks for your response and your video.

We'll wait for Betfair provide new feature: Streaming Exchange Market

Miro, I really think it is you who do not understand what you are talking about.

Any feature or bot you asked here on forum actually did not exist in base bfexplorer features or in the code base of bfexplorer backend. So any of your questions starting with: is it possible, how can I do that or this one, was not from my side about explaining bfexplorer feature, but actually about implementing a new feature to bfexplorer or creating a custom built bot for you.

I think you really cannot say that you did not know about it, because in one of my emails to you I said that this is my last custom bot script I built for you and it will be only up to you, how you manage to update it, if necessary, to suit your needs or requirements later.

Anyone interested, can click on your forum name to list all your forum posts and read your ideas or requirements.

I did not implement all you asked for, but as it is with any request from my customers, I did implement what I thought was interested or useable for others as well. When saying usable then I do not mean exact bot feature, but implementation code behind, the interfaces which allows extending bfexplorer features. I believe you are not able to understand this fact, and all what you can see and think that was done, is bfexplorer application user interface or bot scripts you downloaded.

Man, what you can actually see is just 20% of my work I have done when working on your custom bot scripts, because anything you could see this way, is supported by a lot more code in bfexplorer backend.

Let’s take just last bot script for saving bot status to csv file, to make it work I had to change any bfexplorer bot already implemented in My Bots, to expose necessary data. Anytime I updated your bot scripts I said you need to install the latest version of bfexplorer and re-download your bot script/s. 

I patiently explained new features and how to use them, and I repeated it in some cases many times.

I appealed on your common sense because I really did not know how to further explain the same features again and again, when I tried to say it from different point of view, and you still did not understand what I had been talking about.

You used my kindness and willingness to help you implement your bot scripts, and you knew what I said, that it will be only up to you, to make changes to them later.

Now, when you say that SaveBotData bot script does not save bot data of Repeat Until bot, and I explained why is it so, again appealing on your common sense, because all it was already said before, you complain about my customer support and about not knowing my customer’s needs.

Now you say that you are not a programmer, but you agreed that I program for you all those bot scripts. So you used my kindness, because if I knew that, I had never built all those bot scripts for you, just because I have almost no spare time, so I am not able to manage your bot scripts indefinitely.

Well, bfexplorer can do a lot just by setting some parameters or clicking on some buttons. What you asked for was nothing standard in bfexplorer features, and I believe you know/knew it. What you asked for was extending bfexplorer features by bot script programming.

I really like to see support from bet angel for instance, when you ask them to add your bot to their product, so you can execute your bot by clicking on ladder. You have got a lot of betfair products you can choose from, so please show me at least one better customer support, on the same set of features in their app I implemented for you.

I give up!

I do not want and I will not waste your time. It is not about my common sence, about my truth etc.

I or the others can use the software with own intent.

Question: Must be your customers a programmers?

Answer: Yes.

Logic, UI, detailed knowledge of how what works and why not, trading habits upside down, "customer care" ... is only for programmers.

You need a programmers.

I am only the one of many traders without common sense but with non-transferable feel for the markets. I'm not a programmer neither when I have installed Visual Studio.

Do you understand me?

Do you understand your customers?

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btw: try to find a car dealer who will scream out that you're a bad driver and you don't know how it is made of tire

Ok.

I asked because I saw new rules and conditions...

This is a really good idea but a problem is that it is quite difficult to implement, a tool for general usage for any kind of sport betting event you would like to search.

In my own bot solutions I solve this problem by developing custom bots or bot triggers which check my entry conditions and open required associated markets, so then I am able to filter or search for markets by executing such bots with Bot Executor, or by executing custom scripts from Bfexplorer Console.

BDP betfair team scheduled to release (estimated release date is September 2015) in beta version a new feature: Exchange Market Streaming. In description they say:

Stream market information (primarily prices) based on user-filters.

This feature was not yet released, as soon as they do so I will check what can be done.

On Bfexplorer Community you can read forum or blog posts. I use my own blog to post about new features, explaining how to use bfexplorer, or just to write about my own ideas or opinions. In this blog post I just informed about the new feature bot developers could use to visualize market selection data on ladders, I did not mention that I released the bot. I made some videos and wrote blog articles showing other bfexplorer features, but I did not release all those bot solutions publicly neither.

I can release some of those bots in Bot Community edition in near future, if there is some interest. I really do not want to overfill My Bots with the bots nobody will use.

Miro, I believe that using common sense is in place here, as I already said, you have got bot trigger source code, so you have got “documentation” to this SaveBotData bot.

You have got Visual Studio installed. If I publicly released this bot, I did so mainly for those who want to learn betfair bot programming, so including Bfexplorer BOT SDK and all my publicly available bots, they have got a lot of bot code to learn from and to build on this code, its own betfair bots.

Therefore please open Visual Studio, open Bfexplorer BOT SDK solution, and open this bot source code, then you can learn how this bot saves bot’s bet position only for those bots inherited from SelectionBot.

My common sense says to me that you should manage to do so, right? You installed Visual Studio, so you must know how to use it, otherwise, my common sense says, you did not install something you have no idea how to use it, right?

The bot code is very simple, and you can see what method is actually used to detect when SaveBotData bot needs to save a bet position of the bot that has just ended its execution:

(market.RunningBots :> INotifyCollectionChanged).CollectionChanged.AddHandler SaveBotDataHandler

Ok, you will say you have got no idea about bot programming, but even you are not a software developer, I believe you are able to read some English words, right?

market - running bots - collection changed - save bot data

You said you use Repeat Until bot. Unfortunately, for this type of bot your SaveBotData bot will not detect that your action bot ended its execution, so will not save its bet position to CSV file.

It seems this article is not more about bots, but more about quarrelling who is right or wrong, who has and use a common sense or not.

Last days I visited some other forum of my competitors offering betfair automation. Frankly to say, sometimes I had no idea about what people were asking for, and I was surprised that even simple operations like closing bet position or placing bets has to be done by combinations of different rules, or settings and a lot of things could not be done at all. I was surprised by people’s understanding of those rules and features; actually no one has been complaining that something cannot be done, or the way how it is done or implemented. All users have base understanding, some way they grasped a common sense in using app features,  and I must say that those features are a lot of complicated comparing to bfexplorer ones, that is at least my opinion.

Back to the common sense in using bfexplorer features. If you start a bot, in the Output view you can read the message: The bot XY has been started. When a bot ends its execution, in the Output view you can read the message: The bot XY ended.

The above mentioned fact is important, mainly in the context how the SaveBotData bot works. The bot detects when a bot is removed from the market bot collection, and at the moment saves its bet position.

The bot Repeat Until, or Chain Execution bot, execute its action bot/s internally without exposing them to bfexplorer. Bfexplorer, the Market Bots view knows only about the Repeat Until, or Chain Execution bot, but nothing about internally executed bots, and you could learn this common knowledge just by observing what bot writes to the Output view, or what bots are presented in the Market Bots view.

Miro, so it is again just about a common sense in using bfexplorer features, some way you still did not grasp it when using bfexplorer, and in this case it is really quite simple, how the bot SaveBotData can save bet position of market running bots, if those action bots are not presented in Market Bots view?

Please, read this:

market - running bots - collection changed - save bot data

Well... I explain it for myself.

"Do you know dude without common sense that it works only if you run the action bots directly on selections?
If you run full automated trading solution (example: 1. Execute Bots, 2. Execute on Selections, 3. Repeat Until and finaly action bot 4. Place Bet and Close Selection Bet Position...)

SaveDataBot doesnt work."

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PS: I dont need any modification

Where is a Show Selections Trading Indicators bot?

I have the latest version of Bfexplorer...

Eduardo, you use my replies to issues you do not care to investigate if they were right or wrong. If you did read articles and watch videos I replied to, you would learn that I was/am right, and all what user/Miro needed was to use a common sense to solve his issues, the issues which were not actually problems with bfexplorer features, but his wrong approach of using bfexplorer.

Miro did not download the latest version of bfexplorer and/or custom script I built for him, I had to change bfexplorer interface to make available some new features, his custom built script could use, and without latest version of both the script and bfexplorer his bot scripts simply did not work as required.

If you would read article comments you would had found Miro’s reply where he finally understood that he was wrong, but of course he did not apologize for what he said, but he said:

“Is it possible create public folder with free scripts? You change some code in Bfe, old scripts dont work, and look for them in the forum is not easy...”

Every time I updated his scripts I said to him, download scripts and install latest version of bfexplorer, I communicated with him through emails as well. He is Czech and was easier for him to communicate in his mother’s language, so we discussed bot script development not only in this forum.

Well, yes as an excuse he created a list of custom bot scripts I built for him, I understood it and did not reply to this issue anymore.

Stefan say:

"Miro, I already mentioned words about using common sense when replying on your other forum post, and we can actually see it now on your video."

"I would really suggest you to not doing something what it beyond your possibilities"

Miro say:

"Frankly, I do not mind. I make an idiot of yourself you explain function and logic of bots to others...

Someone else?"

Stefan say:

"Eduardo, I do not think bfexplorer is complicated, you must know what you want to do"

"Eduardo, The main problem is really what I said before. You must know how you want to use bfexplorer feature/s for your trading, and frankly to say I do not think you have an idea how you would use them."

I know what I want to do, but my strategies are complicated and I do not think this can be done with BFexplorer, because it would have access to live statistics.

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Thank you for your sincerity and your encouragement!!!!

I think that is not good strategy to disparage anyone.

Amigo Stefan:

You say:

"Just go to your last article Button: "Hedge the entire market". I still have no idea what you wanted to say with this article, and I asked you three times just to confirm one think: Is bfexplorer showing correct profit balance or not?"

I say that Bfexplore show correct profit balance. The other, App also shows proper balance.

The difference is that BFexplorer included in the Hedge button, the balance of all the results with open bet. The other app only shows the balance with active open bets.

But when you push the button Hedge two apps do the same operations, the two try to lay @ 1000. Beware, if the lay is by stake <2, because they'll match your bet @ 1000 (odd trap) and lose 2 €.
I recommend always close result to result to avoid surprises.

On Site Map you can find Donate web page, donate at least 10 GBP and I will give you Professional subscription plan for 1 month at time you will want to use it.

I do not think bfexplorer is complicated, you must know what you want to do, just have a look at on this video, where I show how I run my testing bot: Show Selections Trading Indicators. There is just one parameter IntervalUpdating, I set for 30 seconds, and that is all.

The main problem is really what I said before. You must know how you want to use bfexplorer feature/s for your trading, and frankly to say I do not think you have an idea how you would use them.

Just go to your last article Button: "Hedge the entire market". I still have no idea what you wanted to say with this article, and I asked you three times just to confirm one think: Is bfexplorer showing correct profit balance or not? This question implies answer that geektoy app does not show correct profit balance, as you compared bfexplorer to this one.