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  • Mir.
    29.7.2015 10:46:07

    Situation:
    Horse racing markets, the same bot runs on some Selections.
    Each of the robots must have own evaluation (maybe with parameter Stop at profit/loss).
    Result is: the chain of results - win, loss, loss, loss, win, ... (or better +2.05, -2.05, -2.05,-2.05, +2.05)
    After analyze output data, I can change Stakes for every next trading cycle. It is the same like any staking plan. For changing Stake exactly I prefer list {"2", "4", "8", "16", "8"} ....

    The importance of this is readily available the results of the first analysis of the trading cycle.

  • Stefan
    29.7.2015 10:17:39

    It would be possible to create Bot Trigger script managing bots or/and their parameters. As the bot trigger runs on one market you can do so only on one market. You should say exactly what you want to do, then I can say if it is possible or not.

  • bige95334
    28.7.2015 19:45:12

    Stefan. I take your point.The only video i had not viewed was the Product Features.I have been, I think taking a defeatist attitude.I hope to rectify that situation. I have to day been able to add horse racing (GB) to the My Favourite event and  load all the markets, identify my selections and insert them into thier respective races,thereby to dismiss the races with no selections. I put parameters into to the execute my selections bot  but was unable to actually place bets.will have another go at that.My Betfair activity using my other bots was showing up in bfexplorer.Will it possible sometime to utilise the horseform details from betfair into bfexplorer to enable a bot to load selections utilising the horse form figures.(it is possible to do it manually....but it is a bit of a pain) If I get the bet placement with  the staking plan sorted this will get me back on an even keel. There are ongoing improvements that I would like to include with this method to reduce what can turn out to be very high (for me) liability figures.

    Apologies for me being such a duffer.

     

     

     

  • Mir.
    28.7.2015 0:06:28

    Sorry, but shortcuts
    B – Set the stake down
    M – Set the stake up ... in the Stake toolbar not working. Yes it changing, but only once and from 5th position jumps to 3rd, 2nd, 1st (B) and from 1 to 5 position of the Stake do not changing (M)

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    Category name: My Ladder Bot
    I understand the trader. For me is My Ladder Bot category name little complicated. Its usage not User Experience (UX).
    - Select right Stake.
    - Click Right mouse button
    - Select bot
    Every time when I want to execute the bot...

    Why there is no toolbar with bots (like Stake toolbar) ?
    - Select right bot
    - and click on ladder to run this bot; and once more; and once more...
    MORE POWER FULL.

    Bot or script has own logic with conditions, stakes (staking plan), etc.

     

  • Stefan
    27.7.2015 20:16:17

    Eric, did you really watch some of videos?


    http://bfexplorer.net/Products/ProductFeatures


    In your trading solution there are involved Event Browser and Bot Executor. Did you manage to add your favourite event to the Navigation view?


    When you open bfexplorer and login to betfair, bfexplorer loads Upcoming in-play events by default, here you can click on Horse Racing, what would load all upcoming horse racing win markets for today.


    You run your betting solution only on GB and IE markets. Therefore it is a good idea to add this event setting to My Favourites Events, so my events are one click to load, right?


    That is the first thing I believe any bfexplorer user do, to add his/her favourite events to the list.


    Let’s assume you already managed to add some bot setting to My Bots (again there are tutorial videos to show what to do and how), let’s assume you run your betting strategy on all horse racing win market, then if your action bot is in the first list in My Bots, you can do so, then to run your solution you need to make 4 clicks:


    1) To open horse racing markets to Event Browser, clicking on the favourite item in My Favourite Events.


    2) Clicking on first item in Event Brower list of markets, in your case on first race, to activate Open button, and in Open button context menu click on the menu item: Open in Bot Executor.


    3) If you accept default setting, and as I said your action bot is first in the list, then to run your betting strategy you need your final click on the Open button.


    That is all. I do not think there is something sophisticated in those 4 clicks.

  • Stefan
    27.7.2015 12:50:49

    B, M shortcuts do work correctly.

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    Do you select a ladder before placing a bet? Of course you do not select a ladder but directly click on a ladder column row to place required bet.


    Bet Event Trader view has no notion of selecting a selection. On the other hand if you want to use bot execution in the Bet Event Trader, then simply when creating a bot definition type in the bot category name: My Ladder Bot.


    All bots with the category name: My Ladder Bot then appear in the ladder context menu so you can execute a bot from a ladder as well. You already know that such bot execution takes Stake, BetType and Price/Odds to change the bot execution parameters. It means the bot with My Ladder Bot should be a bot for general use and execution of a certain bot strategy, so you should name it appropriately.


    Once, a user sent to me a bfexplorer screenshot to report some issue. His My Bots view was on the left side in full height of application window, filled with more than 40 bot settings. When I asked him for what he uses so many bot settings he told me that basically almost all bot settings are for “Be the first in queue” bot with different bet type and stake, and with allowed odds range, for this type of bot when BFIQ bot backs you should define minimal allowed odds, and opposite when BFIQ bot lays you should define maximal allowed odds.


    I asked him why he did not use My Ladder Bot feature to execute his BFIQ bot from a ladder, because what he actually did when starting BFIQ bot was to open a market selection, then judge the true market value, bet type and odds, and then chose from his list of bots, which bot to start.

     

    All that he can do with just one BFIQ bot setting marked with the category name: My Ladder Bot. On ladder he chooses bet type by column, stake is set by Stake toolbar settings, and allowed odds range is changed to the row/odds he clicked on ladder.

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    When you decide to use a bot for your betting or trading strategy, then you delegate your job to the bot. If for any reason later you decide to stop the bot, then you are responsible to manage your bet position yourself, so if necessary then cancel unmatched bets or close your bet position.


    I can only see one such bot with this functionality, a spoofing bot, its purpose is actually not to place bets to be matched but to manipulate a market, so when such bot is stopped, it is just clear that all managed bets must be cancelled.

  • bige95334
    27.7.2015 12:04:12

    Stefan in reply to your comments.

    1)Yes i am able, and have downloaded scripts onto my computer.This is the first scripting sample i have seen so would not be able to go beyond copying and pasting.

    2)Have watched the videos a couple of times but am unable to take in the detail straight off so will need to revisit still more.

    3)No    4)No

    I do not support any spreadsheet reporting for bot solution...i have looked at betting from excel several times but have not used it to place bets nor do i envisge doing so.

    I am only interested in continuing my betting in the following way.

    open software.navigate to my bot. open bot, set or change parameters in interface,click to start, and let it do it's job.go through the card in time order,find my selection via sorting of the horses form figures,place the bets, after losing bets apply staking plan using methd similar to the one you have shown on your video. limit loss recovery to only 3 attempts then return to defoult. 

    At this time i cannot see a way for me to do this from, Bfexplorer.....but for me to even comtemplate doing this is not possible. Although i have been using computers since they were available. i have in the main only used Excel spreadsheets to put together detail to simulate betting methods. this i can do, but am not able to implement my details into a working bot.

    I have a spreadsheet based on 400 actual bets made earlier this year.showing my strategy

    I am contiuing to spend time with Bfexplorer to gain a better insight into it's working. It is a very sophisticated trading and betting interface,it will take some time as a lay person to assimulate and utilise it's many features.

  • Mir.
    26.7.2015 23:44:31

    Market Bots:


    Stop, Stop All - bot stop but its stakes not cancel

  • Mir.
    26.7.2015 23:28:32

    How can I select column for executing my bots? (in Bet Event Trader)

    Now I must select a Selection in Market Selection... and after this I can execute a bot from My Bots

  • Mir.
    26.7.2015 22:19:10

    Nice, thans.

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    I do not think it works well, next shortcuts:

    B – Set the stake down.
    M – Set the stake up.

  • Stefan
    26.7.2015 21:25:59

    I have just released updated version adding this shortcut to Bet Event Trader.

  • Mir.
    26.7.2015 14:45:23

    Bet Event Trader
    Can you add SORT button (Sort Ascending LTP + center Ladders) with keyboard shortcut (space)?

  • Stefan
    26.7.2015 9:05:17

    In this case the time is not represented by TimeSpan value which correct text representation is in the form you typed: 1:25:00 (hours:minutes:seconds), but just an integer value, like you can see 84 minutes. So in the filter type: 85

  • Mir.
    25.7.2015 23:31:42

    Filter editor - Score AND Time Is greater than 01:25:00 shows matches with 19 or 59 minutes

  • Stefan
    24.7.2015 10:22:39

    Eric, in last days I published 4 articles with videos, showing how to create a simple bot trigger and in two articles (videos) I showed how to use Bot Trigger. So you say:


    1) You are not able to copy one of bot scripts to your computer.
    2) Setup Execute Trigger Bot, what means entering two parameters: TriggerFilePathname and BotName
    3) You are not able to start this bot on selected market, just for testing.
    4) And you are not definitely able to use Bot Executor, or Bot Executor for Selections tool to execute your strategy on many markets automatically.


    On the other hand you still prefer some kind of Spreadsheet reporting bot solution. From years I develop bespoke solutions for betfair, people tend to name a software, an application, a program just a bot.


    May I ask you which betfair application you use, the bot which interacts with Microsoft Excel spreadsheet and do your betting for now? If you prefer only Spreadsheet type of bot operation, that I think you should use spend some time to learn Visual Basic for Automation because I do not think you will manage to run your automated bot solution without it. I think there are 2 or 3 betfair applications offering spreadsheet bet triggering, like Bet Angel, Gruss Betting Assistant or Cymatic.


    I never wasted my time with Excel Spreadsheet betting as I prefer my own bot programming, but others on this forum may have some experiences with use of the above mentioned “bots”.

  • bige95334
    23.7.2015 21:36:10

    Stefan, 

    I did not make myself clear...Ihave a separate bot running on betfair with the intention that when a losing lay bet came along this bot would output the losing laybet details in to a spresdsheet from which i could trigger off a recovery bet.

    I haven't actually got the spreadsheet side working so was trying to find a way around getting some of my losses back.This is just a way i thought may be workable

    I have very little coding experiance and would find it almost impossible to set up Bfexplorer to do what i want to do in the way you describe

     

  • Mir.
    23.7.2015 7:40:45

    thumbs up!
    Nice to see how to easy start own solutions

  • Stefan
    22.7.2015 8:55:59

    I am sorry Eric, but I still do not understand.

    How other betfair apps work with Excel? I believe that betfair app populates Excel worksheet, so every selected market is populated on different Sheet (Page). Excel just presents betfair market data.

    Triggers are constructed on sheet cell values, and any action (bet placing) is again triggered by exact value in certain cells, right?


    You said that you use Excel worksheet and your bot to bet on your selections throughout a day, so you must link all betfair markets to Excel worksheet and then setup triggers for selected horses. All that must be quite a lot of work.


    You use some staking plan, so to execute such staking plan on Excel worksheet you must create a program some VBA code because I cannot believe that you are able to do so just by setting some formulas in cells, like you do in setting up your selections triggers, am I right?


    So you have got some knowledge about programming, my question is then, why do not you use Bfexplorer Bot Trigger to program your staking plan? If you manage to do so then you can create your action bot, simply by setting parameters for Place Bet bot, name such bot setting and use this bot name within Execute Trigger Bot and your Staking plan trigger.


    Having such bot setup you can use Bot Executor, or in your case Bot Executor for Selections, to execute your betting strategy with defined staking plan on selected horses.

  • bige95334
    21.7.2015 20:08:31

    Stefan...in answer to your question.I have a bot laying my selections..but with no loss recovery built into the bot .From 400 races there were about 70 losing lay bets as a conseqeuence the losses eroded the lay winnings.Have put my 400 results into a spreadsheet and have seen a way to reduce my number of bets and most of the losses.

    Running the lay bot in simulation and posting the lay bot losing bets to the spread sheet and at that time then trigger off aa higher stakes lay bet.   Using this would reduce my overall bets to around 80 and obtain around  60 lay bet wins at first attempt and almost all of the remaining 12 or so bets at the second attempt.

    I know this is what is termed as back fitting and probably would not easily work. It used to be easy when i was using the earlier Bfexplorer bots . Perhaps it is time for me to have a go trading...but i havn't a clue where and in what markets i should use

  • Stefan
    20.7.2015 18:45:39

    Eric, could you be more specific in what way spreadsheet will help to make a trigger betting on a race depending on a previous horse results?


    I cannot imagine the way the spreadsheet would load all previous horse results and help you to trigger a bet depending on those results.