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Miro, I asked you three times to make a video and you did not do it. You claim something what I cannot understand or do myself to test, so I want to see it on my own eyes.

You told many things about bfexplorer when you were not able to understand something or do something. I patiently explained it and when it was necessary I made a video to help you understand. For now there is 63 videos showing all bfexplorer features.

The strategy is quite simple, and you can watch my 3 minutes video showing how to execute this strategy with bfexplorer.

You told us that Market Feeder is easy to use, like a Lego cubes, so I believe you show us even shorter video presenting this Ilya horse racing strategy as I did in my video.

Place lay bets on all horse, when a lay bet is matched (I simulated this action by updating a lay bet to be matched at current offered lay price/odds), place a back offset bet. That is all what I ask you to show us I your video with Market Feeder.

Stefan, can you upload the bot that you showed on the video preview or it isn't ready yet?

Stefan, in Bet Angel I do my strategy this way:

There's an option to place any order you want on all selections at once so I place Lay order with "Take Profit" attached on all selections.

When I see that any order is matches I run the bot that cancel all unmatched Lay orders and keep the unmatched Back orders.

Heh... you can call it "semi-automation" but it's acceptable to me because it took me about few minutes to configure it. Maybe it's possible to make full automation but I haven't tried it.

Market Feeder has more powerful automation capability then Bet Angel so I think it will possible to do at least the same what I do in Bet Angel.

In Cymatic Trader something like that can be done only through Excel integration and I'm sure it will much more complex and time consuming so I haven't tried it yet.

In BFexplorer

In BFexplorer I can’t figure out how to do my strategy even in "semi-automation" mode. : - ) 

Stefan,

there are many variation how to Lay the Field and etc. ...

This trigger puts bet only if the Best Lay Price on Selection is equal or less than 1,10 and Greenup if Back price on this Selection =>1,35.

By changing 2 parameters trigger place Lay bets immediately, and after first matched Lay bet -> Cancel all others... No need, custom script.

http://marketfeeder.co.uk/learn/triggers/laying-greening-up/

Miro, I want to see what you say about Lego cubes. I have no intention to install that product or read manual.  I really have no spare time for such things.

You already read the manual and have Market Feeder installed. Just make that strategy and show us video, I believe it will be interested for those who never used this app, and for me to see what I can do better with further bfexplorer feature development.

Stefan, for understanding of the Market Feeder Pro is enough to read the manual:

http://marketfeeder.co.uk/download/MF8_manual_eng.pdf

Maybe funny, but there are huge quantity ready-made options, variables, addressing bets, logs... etc.
Triggers are .xml files. You can duplicate, modify hundred values in minute etc.

Some operations are comfortable in Bfe, especially with prebuilt bots.

The difference is that you can all put together like Lego cubes. Without the support programmer.

Miro, what I said about wanting to see some examples of features, user interface and so on, was meant to you as well. In many cases we discussed here a lot of stuff, and in many cases I did not know what you had been talking about.

I do not know if you watched the issue with Execute Trigger Bot problems Eduardo had. I said about a common sense many times. Well, in this case bot trigger compilation issue is a problem with missing assemblies, bfexplorer cannot find when compiling bot trigger file, used F# compiler requires installed Visual Studio, and it is clear that it makes sense. Bfexplorer users, who will want to use this option, will have to install Visual Studio, to develop bot triggers, debug them or just use them. It is the same like users of other betfair automation software are required to install Microsoft Excel.

The second problem can be really assigned to a common sense. Well, I am familiar that Windows (operating system) blocks files downloaded from the Internet. I download a lot project files from the Internet, and of course I unblock such files. I simply assumed that this common sense is used by all computer users. So I tested what Eduardo downloaded and unzipped to his folders, the problem was as well that Eduardo uses Spanish version of Windows, so for me who is used to read a screen when operating with programs, was difficult to understand, otherwise I would solve this issue a lot of sooner, and not after almost a week of testing my code and looking for a problem in places where I could not find any.

You used/use Market Feeder, so just for comparison or just to see what I can improve, it would be a god idea if you show me a video with horse racing strategy Ilya want to implement using bfexplorer platform. I actually made such video already, will download bot trigger assembly soon.

Ilya, read as I wrote. You are "a new fresh blood" maybe you are want to the same things as I want, but I cannot explain it.

Some things "are", but differently works... etc.
A slightly different user interface and experience is completely different

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For example Bfexplorer Console:
Maybe nice tool, but for non-programmer user is stressful. How can I do it this and this... I already do not ask because they already bigger fool can not even be here...

Ilya, I need to see a best feature you talk about, because I think a lot of features is already in bfexplorer, and I am not able to understand why you cannot find them. Therefore I need a comparison with a tool you are familiar with, for instance Cymatic, I hound your comments on their forum, so it should not be a problem for you to show us how your horse racing strategy is automated with Cymatic or Bet Angel, or by a tool of your choice, as you tested a lot of betfair apps.

Miro, your killer improvement is already implemented with tool called Bot Executor. You can run different strategies on the same market. To analyze results you can use Bfexplorer Console to process data, and save data in a suitable format.

I did not test Market Feeder yet, therefore I have no idea if what you claim is true, for instance show me on some video how easy you can setup and execute your horse racing strategy for laying the field and trading out (back offsetting) the first matched lay bet. Miro, you have got Market Feeder as well, so for two experts it should not be any problem.

Cancel all unmatched bets on all open markets. Well the question is why you would like to cancel them all without checking exact market situation first?

I think is better to open such market and decide. Yes, I can understand an emergency situation, for instance you need to cancel all bets because you do want to leave your bets unmanaged, for such situations betfair offers hearbeat api method which cancels unmatched bets when losing the Internet connection to betfair servers as well. I tested this api method and it works fine, well I did not see any betfair app which would offer this functionality.

I'm waiting for the right time to propose the killer improvements for automated solutions.

For example "sandbox trading": trading 2 or more strategies on ONE MARKET - in PracticeMode, Sandboxed.

This feature will allow test many strategies in real time on the same market. How many strategies you have got for soccer matches, for horse racing, for greyhound betting?

Which is the best?

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Markets are changing. Results of strategies too.

But, follow up! -> if some trading strategy has a good results today, it can switch to Real Money Mode automatically. So easy. Without huge risk.

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etc.

Bfexplorer. This is powerfull tool.

Btw... Stefan, Bet Angel and Market Feeder didn't invent any of the features that these platforms have. They just took them from equity trading platforms.

All that features were there 10 years ago when I stared to learn trading on the equity market.

Mir, I apologize but I didn't get what you said about in your previus post probably

because my English isn't good enough : - ) so please can you clarify a bit what did you mean : - )

Thanks!

For me they are best because they have some basic and essential stuff for the trading:

1) You can create an order and attach "Take Profit" and "Stop Loss" to it and takes just few clicks to do that and the only thing you need to do is just enter values for the initial order, "Take Profit" and "Stop Loss" orders that's all. The initial order is always chained with "Take Profit" and "Stop Loss" and you can modify and cancel all of them at one click.

2) Those platforms have the order management interface so you can manage all your orders at any time cancel them or modify them.

Also those platforms have very good automation/bot capability and you don't need to be a programmer to use them.

God bless Ilya Nikol!

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Without irony, really!

I sometimes weary explaining the daily work on the markets and efforts to improve them. I gave up customization of bfexplorer for manual trading. I have a lifetime license to GeeksToy and MarketFeederPro. Why would I want to do something more complicated, is not it?

Ilya Nikol welcome!

You can explain improvements in other words, and you'll be understood.

You said that Market Feeder and Bet Angel are the best trading platforms, but what make them the best platform for betfair trading. I maybe miss something important for common betfair app user, would you like to describe the best feature for each of those apps?

For any betfair app you can find a lot of videos on youtube, so maybe just show us the video presenting the best feature of Market Feeder and Bet Angel.

Here's an example of how the most efficient order management interface should look like.

There are should be 2 windows: 1) Unmatched Orders and 2) Matches Orders

The structure of the Unmatched Order Window should look like that – http://i.imgur.com/AqtWvrJ.png

And the structure of the Matched Order Window should look the same.

BetTrader is very primitive and the official Betfair site offer almost the same functionality just for free as BetTrader software offers and some additional functionality that BetTrader offers can only attract very unexperienced traders that only start to learn trading and if you are more or less experience trader then you understand that all that stuff is useless for the trading.

Heh... when I watch some videos where someone do manual trade at the ladder and tries to convince you that you can profit from it then it always makes me smile because as I said only very unexpired trader can think that it's really possible to profit from such trade.

It's just waste of time to invest your efforts to improve the manual trade at the ladder but many trading platforms represent it as the key features and it's just ridiculous.   

In my opinion Marker Feeder and Bet Angel are the best trading platforms for Betfair but it doesn't mean that those platforms are the end of your dreams and a lot of things in them can be improved and to say honestly those platforms are not to far away from BFexplorer and with some improvements BFexplorer can easly "catch" them. 

Stefan, if you remember I was looking for "BetView" functional but I need it not to use in my manual trading but I need to have "better" view on the market in hope to find any trading opportunities which later can be used in automation trading.

Thanks Ilya, your last comments shed more light on areas where you are an expert in.

I am sorry for forgetting other betair apps you had might tested as well, and am interested in your opinion about them. The first one BeTrader, this app was and maybe is the best app for trading on betfair market, at least that was such opinion of betfairians couple years back.

Market feeder, the best app for automated trading and as the activity on their forum could suggest, this app is most loved app by Russian users as well. Betfair says about this app:

Triggered Betting - A new language that bettors already speak, more and more Betfair users discover triggered betting these days. A trigger is any set of instructions that result in something done upon certain conditions. Many bots offer it, it presents loads of new profit-making opportunities, and it saves you time and money.

I think other users here used this app already and I am interested in their opinion too.