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Stefan:

Thank you very much for your video, is quite useful. Your videos are opened my eyes to the possibilities of your App.

In the market of CS always close my trade result to result to avoid problems.

For instance:

You say:

"BFexplorer shows for 0-0 selection balance -9.88 profit, well of course unrealistic outcomes but it is still valid if you would manage to close position bet on 0-0 by laying 0.13 at Euro 1000 odds."

If I do what you indicate lose € 2, because as the lay bet under 2 €, offered € 2 to 1000 and would equal  with the trap odds of 0-0. For that reason only I do trading on assets results.

Edurado, did you actually make your math on examples you showed us in the article? I think the other app actually shows wrong market profit balance. It is hardly to see on your pictures what bets you placed and what is actually correct profit balance number.

The profit balance number is meant to be a current profit you can close your bet position on entire market.

For instance if you back 0 - 0 for 10 Euro at 12.5 and 1 - 0 for 10 Euro at 7.8 odds, and later if home team scores and is 1 – 0, it is clear that you lost your bet on 0 – 0, so 10 Euro loss influences outcome on other selections. Bfexplorer shows for 0 – 0 selection profit balance -9.88, well of course unrealistic outcomes but it is still valid if you would manage to close bet position on 0 – 0 by laying 0.13 Euro at 1000 odds.

So losing 10 Euro on 0 – 0 means that you would be able to close your bet position on entire market only when sum of winners on other selections is greater than 10 Euro.

In the above example it means that I would be in profit only when match score is still 1 - 0 and lay for 1 – 0 is lower than 3.9.

Can others trading on football correct score market confirm that fact?

The difference in profit balance is because bfexplorer calculates profit balance on all open bet positions and for bet positions there is no offer on one side, it takes the opposite price to offer hedge bet.

On bet positions with offer it takes current offered price to close bet position.
The question is now what is better solution?

Is the other app calculating the profit hedge position only on selections you can close? If yes and goal will be scored on selection you have no position open, then you definitely lose, and then what the other app will show as profit balance on the market?

In correct score market you can simply hide selections without any lay offer, so showing only selections with possible outcome, to close bet position use close bet position on selection button as it is nonsense to try to close bet position on selections which are already not possible outcome of the match.

Hi Stefan:

Congratulations for your new indicators. I think they're very useful. I guess you can not add this option to basic BFE.

It might be interesting, as I mentioned, provide a semi-professional BFE, including some bots for 10-12GBP. So we not pay for other software that complements yours.

I think paying, Community Euro, 30 + 10 + Vat, €45-50 / month for BFE when only going to use a bot to stop loss and other for indicators and other for to be first in queue. BFE professional is impressive, is the best, but is only accessible to 5-10% of users due to their complexity.

Done - http://bfexplorer.net/Community/ForumContent/97#List of custom scripts - Execute Trigger Bot

Is it possible create public folder with free scripts?

http://bfexplorer.net/Content/Downloads/Triggers/...

You change some code in Bfe, old scripts dont work, and look for them in the forum is not easy...

Ilya, betfair api subscription is generated automatically, but in your case I did not realize that after switching your subscription to Free Professional in the next activation period there will be checked if you posted at least 5 articles or forum post on bfexplorer web site, therefore you were asked to subscribe as not fulfilling these conditions.

It is just coincidence, because when paying for Basic subscription, you still had active betfair api access from your trial period, so new subscription was not created, lesson learnt.

I will add to the user menu the subscription status web page, so anyone would be able to check his/her subscription status.

Please, explain me anybody why CSV file has only 1 row and how I can save every bot cycle on the market?

Frankly, I do not mind. I make an idiot of yourself you explain function and logic of bots to others...

Someone else?

Miro, I already mentioned words about using common sense when replying on your other forum post, and we can actually see it now on your video.

Execute Trigger Bot needs to set the full path name to the bot trigger script file with parameter TriggerFilePathName. When working on your triggers and on my own ones, I was tired to copy&paste the script file name to this parameters, so I added a button (…) on the right side of the input box, when you click on this button the Open file dialog appears and you can select the script file which the Bot Trigger must to open and execute. It is definitely quicker to enter this parameter, and the last used folder is remembered as well.

We can all see a new button in your video, but you, once learnt to copy&paste script file name you will do copy&paste, well because you are used to mechanically repeat what you saw or what you were learnt to do, and doing it without thinking.

I added this button 3 version back maybe, so you actually worked with this for 3-5 days without noticing it.

You know that I used to name bots so the bot name describers a bot activity, and actually explains what a bot is doing and how. For instance Place bet and close selection bet position, well I could simply name it Trading bot, right? Naming this bot Trading bot would be confusing mainly for those who just started to learn what it is trading on betfair.

I believe that naming it Place bet and close selection bet position, is better as it exactly says what the bot does, so place bet first, and then close bet position. Well English is foreign language for me, but I hope that everyone understands what bet position means.

I named your script file SaveBotDataBotTrigger.fs

So what does this bot trigger do? Well, of course save bot data(s), and as I did not mention anything about when/how the bot saves “bot data”, it is at least clear that as the bot saves bot data, this bot must be executed before any other bot is started, as the bot saves bot data for bots which were executed later, and it does so by registering that bot had finished its activity, that bot was stopped, and saving its name, selection on which the bot was executed, and the bet position the bot had created.

If the bot would save profit history on the market, then I would name such bot:

SaveProfitHistoryBotTrigger.fs

Well BotTrigger in the name is useless, as the bot actually does not trigger any action bot, but if you have got more files in a project folder then you basically creates your naming convention for files, and this way you can differ different files in its purpose.

In your video we can see that you executed two instance of this SaveBotDataBotTrigger bot, even if you expected that the bot save profit history data, then I do not understand why you executed/started two instances of this bot, you must clearly understand that profit history, is a market profit balance saved “history”. I think the list of profit balances saves last 60 changes of the profit balance on a market. So I would expect to start the bot only once, as the bot would save market profit history.

In your video we can see that you installed Visual Studio on your computer, but instead of showing us your bot script file, maybe changed to suits your needs, for instance to not save bot data if bot did not create any bet position, such change requires two additional lines in your bot trigger code, you showed us csv file opened in Visual Studio, well that is frecking unbelievable.

So you installed Visual Studio, but you did not open Bfexplorer BOT SDK projects, and you did not create a project for your bot scripts, then my question is why you actually installed VS, very huge application installation which took you maybe more than 3 hours to install, but you actually do not know how to use VS for bot development.

This is really quite strange, but you have got the bot source code, so you have got “documentation”, what the bot does and how, but you were not interested to learn what the bot does, by opening the bot source code in the Visual Studio.

I would really suggest you to not doing something what it beyond your possibilities, make all your effort to study market prices development on many betfair sports events, then do manual trading and then find possibilities for bot automation, but not by bot triggers development for what you need at least basic understanding of for you are doing.

Hi Stefan:

Is it possible a keyboard shortcut for the stop-loss?
For example: ctrl 3, stop at 3 ticks, ctrl 4, stop loss in 4 ticks, etc.

You say yes, please.

Thanks in advance.

How can I use this “SaveBotDataBotTrigger” script ?
Perhaps I wasted much time vainly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOZLI8VuUYE

About - StakeType parameter:

http://youtu.be/C5s_jRPYyFI

Thanks.

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My csv:

PlaceBet_Back_now;Ainslie;0.00;0.00;0.00;0.00;0.00

- only one row...

I have just updated bfexplorer adding StakeType parameter for Scratch Trading bot.

sorry, StakeType issue when using Use Ladder feature still don't work correctly.

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- Place Bet

- Be The First In Queue

- Fill Or Kill

- Place Bet and Close Selection Bet Position

- Tick Offset

- Scratch Trading bot still works with Stake only

I prefer so the most easily trading as can be...

This is afternoon test... full automated trading on 3-4 selections.
I am sure that will be more profitable if I can cut losses and take profits... on average

Big profits and big losses - nothing good for premium charge

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BTW: now I need analyse winning streak for my Place Bet Close Position bots - If I have "output" data, each robot will have their name, I can easily find out winning streak - first step for any staking plan

What you want is not desirable feature as the feedback from price movement is actually required feature for a trading ladder.

Miro was asking for different kind of ladder, showing just prices from his defined price range, that is not possible to implement right now, but made some experiment with bfexplorer spreadsheet. You can read and watch a video in this article: My New trading grid

http://bfexplorer.net/Community/ForumContent/60#My New trading grid

Thank for the clarification, Stefan.

Ehhh... I wish there were an option to center the ladder constantly without need to press "spacebar". :-)

The ladder is automatically centered if last traded price is out of visible odds/price range on the ladder. You can test it just by scrolling ladder up or down.

It is not centered constantly, but you can do so by pressing shortcut (spacebar) or just by clicking on center toolbar button, this way you can see price trend development, as initially any market selection is centered in the ladder.