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Hello.  Thanks for the quick  reply.  I have noticed the support is very good and fast.  I just wanted to clarify  the Trigger  2 again.  I don't want to bet on this horse, I want to bet on amother horse when this trigger is true.  I feel that this program can definitely do it, but is it something that needs to be programmed or is there a trigger  ir some method that already does this? 

For your Trigger 2:

Depending on whether you want to place a bet or trade on specific horse, you can use bot strategy: “Place Bet” or “Place Bet and Close Selection Bet Position” (that is trading bot strategy).

You set SortSelectionBy Last Price Traded, ExecuteOnSelection to 1, EvaluateEntryCriteriaOnlyOnce set to True (checked), and in Entry Criteria tab you add criteria LastPriceTraded is between 1.5 and 2.0

Your Trigger 1 can be done by filtering markets in Event Browser and executing your strategy only on selected markets using Bot Executor.

If you want to fully automate Trigger 1 as well, then you must realize where information about race distance is. It is in market name and is coded in miles and furlongs for GB, US and IE, and meters for the rest of countries, so 6f, 7f, 1m, 1000m and so on.

It means that you need to transform text of race distance to meters. You did so in custom build triggers like you can see in attached videos.

When I first executed my strategy on 6f race, and MinimumRaceDistance was set to 1760 meters, the bot did not executed my action bot “Trade 3 ticks”, as race distance did not fulfill set criteria, when I change that to 1000 meters, and top tipster’s selection fulfilled another criteria so Confidence at least 40, the bot strategy chosen nomited horse Holloa and executed trading strategy on this horse.  

I make simple triggers for free only to my subscribers.

I just wanted to clarify Trigger 2.  When I say any horse, I mean I'd like to use a specific horse based on current position (based on odds).  For example Trigger is when horse # 2 has odds between 1.5 and 2 (therefore obviously horse number 1 has better odds and horse number 3 has worse odds).

Football livescores start working again this morning. I blamed nobody. Just stated what happened tonight.

All live score apps work in bfexplorer.

I just wonder what your posts are about. Because you must understand that software is not mechanical thing, it cannot wear out, so if worked before it must work. Only input values could change or services could be down.

All live score data used by betfair are provided by third parties as well, so if score does not work, you must blame data provider not my app or betfair. Do we understand each other?

If you strategy requires executing only when previous result is known then you can use the bot strategy called: Execute Till Target Profit

Please read this post: “Closing down trading after reaching a predefined profit” where the bot “Execute Till Target Profit” is used as well.

The bet result checking mechanism can be used even in strategies requiring a result, so who won or lost, even when a bet was not placed in the market, similar like in this request: “Some Lay Strategy”, but in this case it is necessary to build custom bot trigger script, for instance like here:

MyWatchedResultsBotTrigger.fs

For my subscribers I build custom strategy triggers for free if such work requires no more than 2 hours of my work.

Bfexplorer BOT SDK is free for my subscribers as well:

http://bfexplorer.net/Products/BfexplorerBotSDK

There is no need to program anything, and I actually really wonder why you think you need to have programming skills to execute such strategy with bfexplorer.

To automate your betting or trading strategy you need to use a bot strategy, in this it is named / called:

“Close Selection Bet Position”

You need to set the parameter ProfitLossType to Percentage, and set your Profit and/or Loss target (set Loss to 0, if you do not want to close your bet position/ hedge it in loss)

Now you can execute your bot strategy on all selections on which you placed your bets. Or you can use the bot:  “Execute on Selections”, to execute your “Close Selection Bet Position” on all selections.

May I ask you what you actually mean?

I have just made above video showing that all works for me.

In the application status bar, so in the bottom of the application window, on the right side there is reload button and as well amount showing your available balance to bet. Whenever you click on this button, your balance is reloaded.

I do not think Bet Angel can execute your fourth strategy:

Championship: Back Underdog when odds are 3.0 - 3.5

Because similar like my “Place Bet” bot, when you sort selections, all selections are included. So to get underdog, the naïve approach is to sort selections by Last Traded Price, and the second item in sorted list is underdog, but as all selections are taken, The Draw selection could be second one as well, therefore you need custom script like I did here:

FootballExecuteOnUnderdogBotTrigger.fsx

I would suggest you to post your request to market feeder as well. They have similar policy like me, for subscribers they build one simple trigger for free, otherwise you must pay for it.

I have some case studies for market feeder as well:

http://bfexplorer.net/Articles/Search?text=feeder

And bfexplorer could execute any strategy market feeder users have problems with.

I just wonder if market feeder can manage to execute your strategy simpler way. Your automation script for skilled developer is no problem at all, using Bfexplorer BOT SDK.

Just for inspiration, your FootballExecuteOnUnderdogBotTrigger.fsx uses: ExecuteActionBotOnSelection to execute your preset strategy, entered by BotName parameter on selection the bot trigger script evaluate.

As you can setup all your strategies by “Place Bet” bot, your strategy requires choosing exact named bot strategy for exact league.

The league is stored in the property of BetEvent object:

market.MarketInfo.BetEvent.Details

You can get it from Market object. So five lines of code in F# (have a look at match keyword) will give you the name of strategy that should be executed, and in your bot trigger code such bot strategy can be executed by:

TriggerResult.ExecuteMyActionBotOnSelectionWithParametersAndContinueToExecute (botName, mySelection, None, false)

Yes, just trying to work out what is the best solution for my needs.

So far I think bfexplorer is best long term solution, but it requires me to get the programming to work.

Where as I can achieve my strategies with Bet Angel, but it takes a lot of spreadsheets to make it work. There is no elegant solution with Bet Angel.

It is good you posted your request to betangel forum. We will see what solution will be offered:

Automation : Football Pre-Game Strategy

Nick, what you do is expert level for betfair trader, and common users can use just built-in bots and set automation/so create their betting or trading strategies just by setting bot parameters, so without programming.

You are maybe that Nick, who used bfexplorer back in 2007 when I started developing bfexplorer. A lot of changed from that time, a lot of apps had ended and new one comes, and I believe you used most of betfair apps on the market up to now.

Even those apps, which are labeled user friendly for automation, are actually not so user friendly when specific task must be executed, so not just task prebuilt in rules settings dialogs like market feeder or betangel use, and forums of these betfair apps just confirm what I say because it is full of simple questions users asked, well at least from my point of view:

http://bfexplorer.net/Articles/ByTag?tag=Case Study   

Very good example is this one:

http://bfexplorer.net/Articles/Content/438

Because it shows how bfexplorer app manages strategy automation by comparing to other betfair apps, for which BDP team from Australia made tutorials:

https://betfair-datascientists.github.io/#using-third-party-tools-for-automation

And my tutorial:

http://bfexplorer.net/Community/BlogContent/434  

Actually, your request for strategy automation is similar to one presented by BDP Australia. You have got ML model that generates those coefficients for your prefer football leagues, maybe similar like FiveThirtyEight

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/soccer-predictions/

And you need to automate your betting strategy, so by league you run preset strategy when your coefficient met set criteria.

This automation task has again nothing with betfair, it is just programming task to conduct result of one app as the input to the other app, and it is task for software developer or just skilled user.

You must realize what you want to do and how, and to understand that you must learn by doing.

Just a hint from my understanding of your strategy automation, build your custom bot to do really just specific task, so:

Load you data, and tagged them by league name.

Your custom build trigger will identify league of the match/market.

From league name you find your coefficient and evaluate it whether is in allowed range. If it is in allowed range, you execute preset league strategy, created from pre built bfexplorer bots.

This way you will get bot trigger which will do just this specific task, the rest is done by bfexplorer bots, so this way you can simply switch from just placing a bet, like you do with “Place Bet” bot strategy settings to trading strategy when you like, using “Place Bet and Close Selection Bet Position” bot settings.

Thanks, I got it to work after many attempts. I am not a software developer or programmer, but I can learn enough to get things to work.

I still think you should do a video as many of your users are not software developers or programmers and this would help them get started with your SDK and become familiar with IDE's and setting up the references and outputs.

Once you understand that process you can learn to write and debug your code and eventually get it to work.

Nick, I hope you will finally manage to do it, as frankly to say what you ask is just common work of software developer, when he uses external libraries/assemblies and build a new one that will be used by hosting application. The hosting application is in this case the bfexplorer app.

** Some words for non programmer/software developers.

What is IDE? Basically it is editor allowing to write code and build that code to (executable) assembly to run it and debug. IDE – Integrated Development Environment like Visual Studio, or Visual Code, both from Microsoft, available for free in Visual Studio Community version.

So you managed to build the bot trigger assembly, if you want to execute and debug this assembly then it must be loaded by hosting application and its infrastructure, so the simplest way is to set Build Output path of your bot assembly to:

C:\Program Files (x86)\BeloSoft\Bfexplorer

Yes, to the folder where bfexplorer app is installed to. As this is the application folder, a common windows user has no writable access to. You must run your IDE as administrator.

How your code, so your bot trigger assembly can be executed in the first, and how the assembly can be loaded to the bfexplorer app domain, so you would be able to debug your bot code?

Your bot trigger assembly is .dll file, so file that cannot be executed directly. To execute it/load it to bfexplorer app domain, you simply switch Debug Start Action to Start external program:

C:\Program Files (x86)\BeloSoft\Bfexplorer\Bfexplorer.exe

Nick, what I have wrote up to now is just common way of doing work, when you need to execute and debug assembly with hosting application, so it is not specific task just for Bfexplorer BOT SDK. If you are software developer you may have done that many times.

** The following task is specific for bfexplorer app.

Ok, we have got bot trigger assembly and we were able to run bfexplorer app from our IDE. In my post about Bfexplorer BOT SDK, you could read how to set Debug \ Start Options \ Command line arguments, so when executing bfexplorer from IDE it automatically logins to betfair and switch Practice Mode on, of course when debugging bot we do not want to place real bets on betfair, right?

Bfexplorer app does not know anything about your bot trigger assembly for now, simply because it was not yet loaded to app domain. It is quite different with bot assemblies, like this one:

https://github.com/StefanBelo/Bfexplorer-BOT-SDK/tree/master/MyFsharpBot

Where all bots declared by this bot assembly:

https://github.com/StefanBelo/Bfexplorer-BOT-SDK/blob/master/MyFsharpBot/Bots.fs

Are loaded by bfexplorer automatically, all what such bot assembly must fulfill is implement IBotCreator interface, and the name of assembly must end with .Bot

Your bot assembly is compiled bot trigger, so bfexplorer app loads such trigger using "Execute Trigger Bot", and I actually showed that in my video above. In this case you do not use bot trigger code, so .fsx file, but compiled .dll assembly file, so just swith to .dll and browse your file in:

C:\Program Files (x86)\BeloSoft\Bfexplorer

When setting the bot parameter: TriggerFilePtahName

More information about Bfexplorer BOT SDK can be found in my post on forum, just search: SDK

http://bfexplorer.net/Articles/Search?text=SDK

SDK means Software Development Kit.

OK I managed to change the script file and get it to build in the IDE environment with no errors by linking all of the references, but still unable to export it and get it to work in bfexplorer.

Also, still having issues connecting to Bfexplorer BOT SDK. Maybe you can do a video showing how this is done for the first time in Visual Studio. I'm sure this will help a lot of the newbies. The coding I can probably work out, but it's the setup work that is tricky as it is specific to bfexplorer and difficult to find help on google for this.

Ok, such use case scenario can be automated. Custom built bot can read csv file and use this data as trigger value for bet placement triggering.  What you already have set with Place Bet bot setting, so those four bot strategy settings, will be used by your custom trigger bot. If you are used to bet/trade on those 4 top leagues only, the bot can do as well market filtering, so your strategy can really run fully automated.

In my video you could see that in My Favourite Events, I have got: Football - Top Leagues

You maybe create such favourite event, if not here are parameters:

Name: Football - Top Leagues

Event type: Soccer

Market types: MATCH_ODDS

With text: "English Premier League" OR "Ligue 1" OR "Bundesliga 1" OR "La Liga" OR "Serie A"

Country/s: GB;FR;ES;IT;DE

Then when you click on, in the Event Browser are loaded all Match Odds markets (matches) for top European leagues.

** Bot programming

So this F# script code was good test for you that you are not able to program. Couple hints:

It is F# script file, and as script file can be execute directly in IDE, it contains all information needed to link all required references, so IDE can build executable code from it.

Google F# script, and derictives: #I, #r

Actually I left there: //(* and //*)

So when you uncomment

(*

And

*)

Then when you rename file from .fsx to .fs you will get F# source code file you can add to F# .net project, add references from (#I) folder, refrences are those 4 assemblies (files) in #r directives, and you are done. Click build and you will get bot assembly “Execute Trigger Bot”   can use directly. Your project must be built for .net 4.7.2

Just try your skills, if you manage that, then using Bfexplorer BOT SDK you can build your custom bot yourself.

I'm having trouble compiling your script to .net assembly as you suggest. I first tried loading it as you did in your video, but I get error... "The bot Execute Trigger Bot has been started. The bot Execute Trigger Bot ended."

I tried loading your scripts and projects from Bfexplorer BOT SDK in Visual Studio, but they do not run or compile as you show in your videos. Is there something I am not doing correctly? Am I missing something?

I think your software can do what I need, but will need some assistance to make it work.

I can automate the setting of these constants as they are generated with my data analysis. What I cannot do is automate the process of placing the bets.

I can export for example a CSV file to a specific location every time there is a change to my constants/varibles. I'd like bfexplorer to read these constants/variables and then place bets accordingly.

Doing it manually is too time consuming and prone to me missing games as they are at different times/days.

I have prepared bot trigger script that can be used to execute your underdog strategy.

You can use this script to evaluate your programming skills:

 FootballExecuteOnUnderdogBotTrigger.fsx

Any script executed by bfexplorer is first compiled to .net assembly, and then is loaded to app domain,  you can see it in my video that this process takes up to 20 seconds, therefore it is better to use bot assembly directly than bot script, so if you manage to build from this script, the .net assembly, then you can do your automation bot as well.