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You said that Market Feeder and Bet Angel are the best trading platforms, but what make them the best platform for betfair trading. I maybe miss something important for common betfair app user, would you like to describe the best feature for each of those apps?

For any betfair app you can find a lot of videos on youtube, so maybe just show us the video presenting the best feature of Market Feeder and Bet Angel.

Here's an example of how the most efficient order management interface should look like.

There are should be 2 windows: 1) Unmatched Orders and 2) Matches Orders

The structure of the Unmatched Order Window should look like that – http://i.imgur.com/AqtWvrJ.png

And the structure of the Matched Order Window should look the same.

BetTrader is very primitive and the official Betfair site offer almost the same functionality just for free as BetTrader software offers and some additional functionality that BetTrader offers can only attract very unexperienced traders that only start to learn trading and if you are more or less experience trader then you understand that all that stuff is useless for the trading.

Heh... when I watch some videos where someone do manual trade at the ladder and tries to convince you that you can profit from it then it always makes me smile because as I said only very unexpired trader can think that it's really possible to profit from such trade.

It's just waste of time to invest your efforts to improve the manual trade at the ladder but many trading platforms represent it as the key features and it's just ridiculous.   

In my opinion Marker Feeder and Bet Angel are the best trading platforms for Betfair but it doesn't mean that those platforms are the end of your dreams and a lot of things in them can be improved and to say honestly those platforms are not to far away from BFexplorer and with some improvements BFexplorer can easly "catch" them. 

Stefan, if you remember I was looking for "BetView" functional but I need it not to use in my manual trading but I need to have "better" view on the market in hope to find any trading opportunities which later can be used in automation trading.

Thanks Ilya, your last comments shed more light on areas where you are an expert in.

I am sorry for forgetting other betair apps you had might tested as well, and am interested in your opinion about them. The first one BeTrader, this app was and maybe is the best app for trading on betfair market, at least that was such opinion of betfairians couple years back.

Market feeder, the best app for automated trading and as the activity on their forum could suggest, this app is most loved app by Russian users as well. Betfair says about this app:

Triggered Betting - A new language that bettors already speak, more and more Betfair users discover triggered betting these days. A trigger is any set of instructions that result in something done upon certain conditions. Many bots offer it, it presents loads of new profit-making opportunities, and it saves you time and money.

I think other users here used this app already and I am interested in their opinion too.

P.S. and of course when the "Take Profit" order is matched then the "Stop Loss" order should be canceled : - )

Here's some logic behind the decision when to place each type of order.

For example, you place an order with "Take Profi" and "Stop Loss" attached to it.

When the initial order is matched then the "Take Profit" order should be placed.

If the price reaches the price of the "Stop Loss" order then the "Stop Loss" should be placed.

When the "Stop Loss" is matches then the "Take Profit" order should be canceled.

Of course, there should be an ability to configure how to handle partial fills.

Stefan, here's an example of efficient and simple interface which has functional that is vital for trading.

Heh, I don't "reinvent the wheel" here and such interface is well known and it's proved to be very efficient  by time and also it's important that all traders are familiar with such interface so it won't take much time to them to get use it.

Here how the new order window should look like:

It might look like this  – http://i.imgur.com/AtazQr0.png

Let's say you decide to attached "Take Profit" and "Stop Loss" to the order so you just "tick" those options and two additional windows should open where you can configure "Take Profit" and "Stop Loss" orders.

It might look like this  - http://i.imgur.com/Sb1crn4.png

Let's say you created few orders that way and those orders should be placed into separate window where you can see their status and where you can cancel or modify them by one click. I want to stress that it's very important to have the ability to modify and cancel them just by one click. It might look like this:

It might look this  – http://i.imgur.com/YXN7HYq.png

As I already said only when such vital functional for trading is present then you can start to look at the automation trade/bots capabilities.

The first thing what traders do when they start to learn the trading platform is they look for such functional and they should be able to easily find it and easily configure it even with with the minimal programing skills because traders aren't programmers : - )

"Marked Order" can be used only in the equity trading so just ignore that I mentioned it and "Limit Order" is just a regular Betfair order. My apologies for any confusion I just have got used to that there are always 2 type of orders in the equity trading. : - ) Heh... Maybe at some point in the future Belfair also starts to support "Market" orders. : - )

I tested Cymatic, Geektoy, Bet Angel and some other and didn't see anything special they all are average at least compare to any platform for equity trading, they all try to bring the same trading functional as the equity trading platforms offers but I have impression that there’s lack of understanding what average trader need. There are many stuff that is kinda useless and lack of really important features.

I see that BFexplorer can be easily improved to become much better than all those platforms and it has better potential.

I suggest you improve some essential functional and make it more "visible" for the users and more easily to configure.

The trading starts from the point when trader place an order and attaches "Take Profit"/ "Stop Loss/Trailing Stop loss" to it and you shoudl be able to cancel that order in one click and all that should be done in few clicks and the trader shouldn't think where to find such functional it should be very visible and easy to configure and it shoud be the first thing you see when log in to the platfrom. You just can't trade without it and if the trader struggles to find or struggles to configure it then he just walk away, especially, the trader who also traders on other markets such as equity because he is "spoiled" with functional that the platforms for equities trading offers to the traders. : - )

When the essential functional is present then you go to more complex stuff such as bots and automated trading.  

P.S. Stefan, I came to that forum by mistake and I’m not a programmer.

And what about "Place Market Order", "Place Limit Order", what does it mean?

I never heard about "Place Market Order".  "Place Limit Order", in what is such bet/order limited, can we actually profit from such bet if it is limited in any way?

Well yes, tick offset, it is just different terminology therefore what makes you think that bfexplorer actually missing anything from what you said about tick offset. I said that I do not think bfexplorer is good app, such Cymatic or Betting Assistant those are true masterpieces in software application development, not even telling about Geektoy or Bet Angel those are the best app on betfair market, at least everyone say so.

Well, first time I met you on forum for betfair developers and you say you are not a programmer, you must be a true expert if you were able to understand what geeks there are talking about. I have got problems here to explain anything about programming to common people, I mean to non programmers.

It can be called whatever you want and I just call it "Tick Offset" because I saw it called liked that in many trading platforms for Belfair.  In other trading platforms for equities, futures, forex market such order is called "Take Profit" : - )

Every trader needs this functional and it doesn't matter where you trade equities, futures, forex or betfair :

1) You place order at the specific price and amount.

2) When your order is matches then opposite order should be placed with specific price and amount.

3) You should be able to set the specific price and amount for the initial and the offseting order.

4) Also it would be nice to have an ability to add some options to the initial and the offset order such as "Keep In Play or Not", "Fill or Kill" and how to handle partial fills, for example, should be it offset or need to wait for full match.

Always there's an option to attach also the “Stop Loss” the order.

For example, you creates an order to Back $ 10 at price 3.0 and attaching "Tick Offset/Profit Take" and "Stop Loss" to it.

In equites, forex platforms such thing can be done in few clicks and even by someone without any PC skill : -) Everybody get used to that all platforms have such functional and nobody think it something special and if you don’t find it the platform than you think wtf? : - )

Such functional shouldn't be hidden somewhere in deep in the interface and it should be place at most visible place and even the dummies should be able to easily find it and use it because it's like pedals and wheels in the car. : - )

I have got some problems to build the latest release after Microsoft pushed some updates to VS and now I am not able to build my solution.

I see you have got bigger experiences than me in every aspect. Meantime the latest version will be released, may I ask you to choose one of the points you mentioned and explain us what you actually mean?

I think it will be interested to learn from such an expert as you. For instance I had no idea what you mean by tick offset, I must search on Cymatic forum what does it actually mean, but am not sure if I understand it.

Heh... of course I know what is "Open File Dialog" I just didn't get it when you asked about it because as you can see my English isn't so good : - )

When I tried to open the file I saw that it opens only *.fs and *.fsx so it made me think that I should to the other *.dll into some specific directory.

I'm also isn't programmer and  I have only average PC skill : -)

Heh : - ) Stefan, when I talked about the vital features I didn't want to lecture anyone and I didn't mean that other trading platforms such as Bet Angel, Cymatic Trader or Geek Toys have such features and BFexplorer don't.

I have more than 10 years trading experience and I also trade the equity market and forex market. About 10 ago years I stared with equity market and forex market and only recently started to trade on Betfair. During that period I've tried about 200 different platforms some of them had more features and some of them less but all of them had "Tick Offset", "Stop Loss", "Trailing stop", "Fill or Kill", "Place Market Order", "Place Limit Order" because these features are vital for trading and it doesn't matter at what market do you trade.

Now I see that it's possible to have all that features in BFexplorer and even better!

Also It needs to be said that some functional is missing in BFexplorer and it can be improved further to be the best platform for Betfair! : - )  For example, I can’t automate my strategy right now but it’s very simple one.

Back on the topic: Stefan, where I can take the file that I showed on the video? HorseRacingTradeFavoriteFirst.dll?  

Yes Ilya, I believe you, after yesterday’s lecture about vital features which every trader use, I simply learn everyday something new, thank you once again.

Never mind that Open File dialog actually exists in every app which opens some files, as the Open File dialog is actually part of base user interface of Windows operating system, so in every app it looks exactly the same way.

As I said I learn everyday something new.

P.S. Unfortunately, I am not familiar with Open File dialog.

Stefan, I tried to run BackCorrectScore00LayDrawTrigger.dll and it worked just fine!

Ilya, we already know that you are able to search for files in your computer. The question is, are you familiar with Open File dialog? I believe as a lover of Advanced Cymatic Trader or Betting Assistant you know how to work with Excel, and Excel offers Open File dialog as well, am I right?

Bfexplorer is maybe not so good as above mentioned betfair apps but in user interface design bfexplorer supports common UI design partners, like Open File dialog.

I already mentioned that Execute trigger bot offers two options for entering trigger file, a bot source code, with the file extension .fs, or .fsx, and bot trigger assembly file with the file extension .dll. By default you are offered to open Script files, but you can click on the combo box (above Open button) and there you can find the second option: Bot trigger assemblies, please use this option.

I will help you and others and in the latest version I am about to release I will set by default the Bot trigger assemblies option, as frankly to say I maybe the only one who will use the other option: Script files.

Stefan, I unblocked BackCorrectScore00LayDrawTrigger.fs and BackCorrectScore00LayDrawTrigger.dll but still got the same error.

Here's the screenshot of the log - http://s16.postimg.org/fymphin51/error1.png

So the problem with using bot trigger assembly (.dll file), was that anything you download from internet to your computer is blocked. You must first unblock such file by using file properties dialog.

http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/5357-unblock-file-windows-10-a.html

Miro does not waste your time on reinstalling Windows. Eduardo has clean install of Windows 10, so I will try to test it on his computer.

Actually no one of you will manage to work with bot trigger source code, so the other alternative with bot trigger assembly is my priority for now, I just need to test it, it works fine on my computer.