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Eric, I would like to see what you actually do, so if you are able to make video screencast then do so and publish it on youtube.

On Monday we can use Teamviewer, or other desktop sharing app, so I can connect to your computer remotely and assist you with setting up your solution.

You maybe never heard about desktop sharing or making video screencast, but Internet does, so just try to find some sources about it, and actually the best way for it is not to “google”, but directly search it on youtube, people do videos about everything, even about how to open a box.
In my post here on forum, I asked you to specify what you actually want to do, as it is clear that I will have to prepare/develop a bot trigger for you.

I am not trying to steal your strategy as you can describe it by general parameters you will be able to set in your bot trigger, not even saying about bot trigger main feature, and that is to execute your action bot. The action bot is defined/set in My Bots, so you are free to set anything to be your action bot in your bot trigger strategy, and that can be simple bet placing or trading bot, or even another bot trigger.

Just rotate your monitor to portrait mode, no I am not joking, actually chance is that you have got such type of stand on your monitor, then switch display settings in windows to portrait for this monitor.

I did rotated one of my monitors to portrait orientation and after changing app layout putting some of views on landscape orientated monitor and main app window with Bet Event Trader on portrait orientated monitor I have got when comparing ladder with 2 odds in middle, in portrait orientated monitor I saw odds from 1.6 to 2.54, in landscape one from 1.82 to 2.28.

For me, the computer is working tool, and as a software developer I used to use two monitors, it has advantages as when debugging a program, your IDE (for not programs/software developers the application you use to develop programs in, on Windows platform mainly Visual Studio) is on one monitor, and debugging app/program on other monitor. Some software developer use second monitor by default in portrait mode, as software developer you must read documentation, and so on.

I have got two old Samsungs 2443, with new 4K monitors I would again bought two monitors, even if resolution for latest monitors is a lot bigger now, that it was some years back.

Yes, what Miro suggests, the compressed typed of ladder has some advantage.

I do not think to be successful trader on in-play markets the ladder size makes any advantage, quite opposite is true, you must spot opportunity sooner than others do, and take value bet/s.

I have got two Professional users/traders from GB I made bespoke solutions years ago with their own different features, but basically what both do is to place a set of bets, cancel unmatched bets after set timeout (if active), close bet position (if active) either by hedging or set stake. Both traders actually do not use ladders, but activate bot execution for horse they type saddle number for. If saddle number is from 1-9 then firing action bots is as quick as pressing one number, for saddle numbers. One trader uses minus as well to change bet type to lay bet.

They use mini notebooks directly on racecourse, so they are seconds before you in judging race, and they place sets of bets by bot so in one API request. Well, yes if you know what you do then you can find your edge in in-play trading even if you trade from another country on UK horse race.

Hi dikenia,
and what your opinion on ladder without some rows.

Reduced Ladder... http://bfexplorer.net/Community/ForumContent/60#My New trading grid

I used some "In-Play trader" tools but for me they are confusing or not for my trading habits.

I like BF graphs - max. refresh, similar like on screen.

or at least making the ladders bigger. just as I said the aim is to see as many rows/odds as possible.

Stefan, Am in great difficuly in gettig the bot name into the Bot executor for Selections. i think perhaps am not doing things in the right order, or have not constructed my Lay for 1.05 correctly.

At one stage it was OK but i messed it up and havn't managed to get it right despite watching your video.It could be that my brain is ceasing to function due to my age!!

If i want separate selections for several races...should this be done 1 race at a time, or can the process be applied on a group od races. I do not seem to be of much help on the forum so far...being preoccupied with my own difficulties.At this stage i am trying to place a bot to Lay 1.o5 on each section.

BTW: It's AWESOME!

Screen is from Practice Mode but now works very easy and without problems...

Visualize bot state on ladder - Running Bots column?

ok, understandable names of bots are usefull.

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Sorry, I wrote about situation when I need select any Selection before run a bot. Now it is different.
1st step is select bot (click on bot name and Use Ladder)
2nd step is click on the Ladder of Selection

Works perfectly.

I do not understand where you have got a problem with selecting a ladder and why? Actually you select a ladder directly when clicking on one of row/column, and this click also defines your desired action: placing a bet, cancelling a bet, update a bet, placing a hedge bet to close position, or the latest addition when Use Ladder is active, then starting selected bot.

You need to select a market selection only when executing a bot by Start bot button in the My Bots view. Think again, in this case you need to select a market selection only in that case when your bot setting requires to define selection by user, so when the parameter: ExecuteOnSelection is set to 0.
I noticed it on your examples as well as on other use ones that you are lazy to name your bot setting correctly.

For instance I could name my bot: Trade 3 ticks.

What such bot name suggests to me? It suggests this bot is used primarily for execution from ladder, either through My Ladder Bots context menu, or through your addition so directly clicking on a ladder, of course when Use Ladder feature is active.

In the bot name there is no information about stake, nor bet type either, and it is clear that bot must have some initial settings for BetType and Stake, I used to set BetType by default to Back, and Stake only to 10 Euro. BetType or Stake is actually not relevant as those parameters are taken from my current settings, on the other hand in the bot name is missing information about Loss, well is not missing as is set to 0, so bot does not close my bet position in loss.

If I name my bot: Trade 2 ticks profit or 3 ticks loss, again is clear what my bot does.

If I name my bot: Trade 2 ticks by backing 100 Euro on favourite, then it is clear what my bot does exactly, and that I do not need to select a selection on which I want to execute this bot, the bot will do so automatically.

You can name your bots in Czech, if such naming is shorter, but in Slovak language naming of bots is always longer, so I prefer English. Some users use just abbreviation in letters, I hope you understand what I wanted to say.

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Well, yes I like nice looking user interface as well, but in some cases there are some implementation details which do such visualisation of data difficult. I will see what I can do to visualize bot state on ladder, for now you must use Market Bots view.

I think about it for a few days...

1) We must define what is "The cycle".

Betting cycle: Place bet

Trading cycle 1: Place bet on 1 selection

Trading cycle 2: Open many bets on associated markets

2) Evaluate, results

Betting cycle:  Finished race; winner or not

Trading cycle 1: Close position; Profit or Loss

Trading cycle 2: Checking Profit History +/- and Close All Positions at ...

3) What do next - What change

Betting cycle:  Stake (aply staking plan; for example Martingale, Fibonaci ...)

Trading cycle 1: Every Bot Parameters and EntryCriteria

Trading cycle 2:  Every Bot Parameters and EntryCriteria

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I think that easiest way how to implement analyzing logic is make one bot for every step.

Run Bot01

If cycle of Bot01 is PROFIT Run bot01 than Run Bot2

Run Bot02

If cycle of Bot02 is PROFIT Run bot01 than Run Bot3

Run Bot03

If cycle of Bot03 is PROFIT Run bot01 than Run Bot4 ...

Every bot has own predefined parameters.

It maybe like Execute Till Target Profit bot with new parameter LosingStreak:

Bot01;Bot02;Bot03;Bot04;...; Bot12 (bot Bot12 is every next).

I prefer setting saved in CSV file like on this picture (screen from XLXS file)... All in one bot.

(There is an additional parameter Loss: if Loss is higher than €-15 run Bot03).

B,M - works, thanks
(before changing predefined Stakes/Liability/Tick profit you must click on Selection/select any Selection. My personal hint: the safest way how to select Selection is click on the Matched column)

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Use Ladder

Nice! Now is very easy run any bot by 2 clicks or 1! click repeatedly on Selection.

1) My personal problem is how to use parameter Stake. Use Ladder "takes" Bet Type, Stake and price range from Ladder. But I think in the future will be better "lock" Stake (bot own attribute, not taken from a ladder)

2) Visual indicator of bots in Bot State - WaitingForOperation (or running bots)

Example: Place Bet and Close Selection Bet Position ... WaitingForOperation ... Stake €80 at 5.0
Market bots window I use only for "Stop All" button feature.

You do not have to watch all videos, but you definitely have some problems using base bfexplorer features. We all bet on betfair markets, and if you did not understand how Event Browser is used with bfexplorer infrastructure, then you need to watch at least those videos.

The other video is a video showing how to change and save bfexplorer workspace/s. I have got big monitors, and some users use bfexplorer on notebooks with small resolution screens, bfexplorer is still useable on small screens but you need to change and save layout of views.

Yes, I will continue with Bot Trigger tutorials, but you need to be a little bit specific, in what way do you want to use horse latest form. For instance I can create a trigger taking last form from available horse, take for instance only horse/s winning in last race, and then execute an action bot on horse with lowest price/odds.

Well, you say after analyzing output data..., but I believe you want your bot to analyze winning or losing streak, and then set different trading parameters for your trading bot.

If bot trigger will execute your trading bot on defined selections then win/loss results could be saved, but the question is how you want to implement “the analyzing logic”.

Use just general description, so leaving bot simple enough to start development of this trigger bot, in simple and understandable steps.

You were right B, M shortcuts not worked correctly, I forgot to extend stake changing to all 6 stakes. I added Use a ladder click to start a bot, and Start selected bot to the ladder context menu.

Situation:
Horse racing markets, the same bot runs on some Selections.
Each of the robots must have own evaluation (maybe with parameter Stop at profit/loss).
Result is: the chain of results - win, loss, loss, loss, win, ... (or better +2.05, -2.05, -2.05,-2.05, +2.05)
After analyze output data, I can change Stakes for every next trading cycle. It is the same like any staking plan. For changing Stake exactly I prefer list {"2", "4", "8", "16", "8"} ....

The importance of this is readily available the results of the first analysis of the trading cycle.

It would be possible to create Bot Trigger script managing bots or/and their parameters. As the bot trigger runs on one market you can do so only on one market. You should say exactly what you want to do, then I can say if it is possible or not.

Stefan. I take your point.The only video i had not viewed was the Product Features.I have been, I think taking a defeatist attitude.I hope to rectify that situation. I have to day been able to add horse racing (GB) to the My Favourite event and  load all the markets, identify my selections and insert them into thier respective races,thereby to dismiss the races with no selections. I put parameters into to the execute my selections bot  but was unable to actually place bets.will have another go at that.My Betfair activity using my other bots was showing up in bfexplorer.Will it possible sometime to utilise the horseform details from betfair into bfexplorer to enable a bot to load selections utilising the horse form figures.(it is possible to do it manually....but it is a bit of a pain) If I get the bet placement with  the staking plan sorted this will get me back on an even keel. There are ongoing improvements that I would like to include with this method to reduce what can turn out to be very high (for me) liability figures.

Apologies for me being such a duffer.

Sorry, but shortcuts
B – Set the stake down
M – Set the stake up ... in the Stake toolbar not working. Yes it changing, but only once and from 5th position jumps to 3rd, 2nd, 1st (B) and from 1 to 5 position of the Stake do not changing (M)

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Category name: My Ladder Bot
I understand the trader. For me is My Ladder Bot category name little complicated. Its usage not User Experience (UX).
- Select right Stake.
- Click Right mouse button
- Select bot
Every time when I want to execute the bot...

Why there is no toolbar with bots (like Stake toolbar) ?
- Select right bot
- and click on ladder to run this bot; and once more; and once more...
MORE POWER FULL.

Bot or script has own logic with conditions, stakes (staking plan), etc.

Eric, did you really watch some of videos?

http://bfexplorer.net/Products/ProductFeatures

In your trading solution there are involved Event Browser and Bot Executor. Did you manage to add your favourite event to the Navigation view?

When you open bfexplorer and login to betfair, bfexplorer loads Upcoming in-play events by default, here you can click on Horse Racing, what would load all upcoming horse racing win markets for today.

You run your betting solution only on GB and IE markets. Therefore it is a good idea to add this event setting to My Favourites Events, so my events are one click to load, right?

That is the first thing I believe any bfexplorer user do, to add his/her favourite events to the list.

Let’s assume you already managed to add some bot setting to My Bots (again there are tutorial videos to show what to do and how), let’s assume you run your betting strategy on all horse racing win market, then if your action bot is in the first list in My Bots, you can do so, then to run your solution you need to make 4 clicks:

1) To open horse racing markets to Event Browser, clicking on the favourite item in My Favourite Events.

2) Clicking on first item in Event Brower list of markets, in your case on first race, to activate Open button, and in Open button context menu click on the menu item: Open in Bot Executor.

3) If you accept default setting, and as I said your action bot is first in the list, then to run your betting strategy you need your final click on the Open button.

That is all. I do not think there is something sophisticated in those 4 clicks.

B, M shortcuts do work correctly.

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Do you select a ladder before placing a bet? Of course you do not select a ladder but directly click on a ladder column row to place required bet.

Bet Event Trader view has no notion of selecting a selection. On the other hand if you want to use bot execution in the Bet Event Trader, then simply when creating a bot definition type in the bot category name: My Ladder Bot.

All bots with the category name: My Ladder Bot then appear in the ladder context menu so you can execute a bot from a ladder as well. You already know that such bot execution takes Stake, BetType and Price/Odds to change the bot execution parameters. It means the bot with My Ladder Bot should be a bot for general use and execution of a certain bot strategy, so you should name it appropriately.

Once, a user sent to me a bfexplorer screenshot to report some issue. His My Bots view was on the left side in full height of application window, filled with more than 40 bot settings. When I asked him for what he uses so many bot settings he told me that basically almost all bot settings are for “Be the first in queue” bot with different bet type and stake, and with allowed odds range, for this type of bot when BFIQ bot backs you should define minimal allowed odds, and opposite when BFIQ bot lays you should define maximal allowed odds.

I asked him why he did not use My Ladder Bot feature to execute his BFIQ bot from a ladder, because what he actually did when starting BFIQ bot was to open a market selection, then judge the true market value, bet type and odds, and then chose from his list of bots, which bot to start.

All that he can do with just one BFIQ bot setting marked with the category name: My Ladder Bot. On ladder he chooses bet type by column, stake is set by Stake toolbar settings, and allowed odds range is changed to the row/odds he clicked on ladder.

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When you decide to use a bot for your betting or trading strategy, then you delegate your job to the bot. If for any reason later you decide to stop the bot, then you are responsible to manage your bet position yourself, so if necessary then cancel unmatched bets or close your bet position.

I can only see one such bot with this functionality, a spoofing bot, its purpose is actually not to place bets to be matched but to manipulate a market, so when such bot is stopped, it is just clear that all managed bets must be cancelled.